Cap Icons


I’m no longer a comic book reader, but I read up a bit on the Civil War fiasco recently, and I couldn’t help but comment.

I don’t remember where I found the link, but there was a series of images where somebody photoshopped the scene where some stupid woman berates Cap in a subway about how he doesn’t understand America because he doesn’t know anything about Myspace, giving cap a sensible, pointed and scathing response. The photoshopper, however, left the woman’s ridiculous spiel intact in all its self-important idiocy. The worst part is, the comic writer seems to have thought the woman was right. That inspired these icons, at any rate. Let’s not even get into the bit where the FDNY, paramedic and NYPD tackled Cap for beating the amoral politico Iron Man down in the streets of New York. A cheap, crass stunt.

Anyhow, Cap believed in civil liberties and in standing for something more important than mere safety.


25 Responses to “Cap Icons”

  1. creativedv8tion Says:

    Now he’s just dead.

  2. creativedv8tion Says:

    And can I ask what the icon with the mannequins or whatever has to do with Cap? Maybe it’s just my poor vision and it’s small, but I don’t get it.

  3. bosantibe Says:

    Having read those comics, I have a bit of an opinion on the matter. Unfortunately, the writer didn’t exactly put a strong foot forward as to decisive opinion on the issues. What that particular scene was meant to get at, however, was the fact that Cap puts himself out there as a grand representation of American values, but he shares none of the daily life of his fellow Americans and he has literally no appreciation of what we value. I don’t think it was actually meant to endorse the value of iPod and Starbucks and all of that crap, but rather to throw in his face that Captain America doesn’t share in modern American culture whatsoever. In that respect, it’s completely in the right. If only he could take active steps to share his values with the masses. Alas.

  4. uhlrik Says:

    I read that conversation and I found her commentary pathetic, self-important and mewling.

    Sure Cap has different priorities than the typical self-involved myspace peon. That’s because he’s concerned with saving their bacon and protecting the theoretical principles that are what is right and good about america. He’s about abstracts. That’s why he’s Captain America. He’s supposed to represent the best of what Americans can be, not the way that most of them scratch out their daily lives. IMHO that woman completely missed the point of having such a being as Captain America.

    The dude’s job is to be an exemplar, not an average joe. What he values are things that we should but usually do not. He’s an idealist in a nation of cynicism, trying to urge it to walk up to what it claims to believe in.

    So he doesn’t care about pop culture. I don’t see much that he’s missing out on that is worth his attention (or that of the masses who are obsessed with it) anyhow.

  5. uhlrik Says:

    It’s an icon that I assocaite with artwork and manips that I create. It’s not cap-specific.

  6. uhlrik Says:

    Yup. Hence the “was.”

    I guess you could say Red Skull FTW, but that would just be lame.

    Cap died for what he believed in though.

  7. bosantibe Says:

    Agreed. And she is a mewling, self-important, pathetic type of creature at every point I’ve seen her, but that conversation brings to light a very real possibility for why Captain America has had such a hard time of maintaining an ongoing series in the last decade or so… he’s not identifiable to modern individuals and it’s glossed over in favor of him doing his job, rather than being addressed in a way that will define him as an individual entity that makes America greater (theoretically) in his difference.

  8. creativedv8tion Says:

    I’m glad they let a real villain be responsible for the death, instead of making up some lame-o villain like they did when they “killed” Superman.

    Hey, could you make me a Cap RIP style icon? With text that says “1941-2007” on it? As far as the graphic, unless there’s a graphic of the shield leaning against a tombstone, I think the one that looks like the shield is on fire would be good.

  9. uhlrik Says:

    Sure, I can do that.

  10. uhlrik Says:

    Well, he’s not identifiable to many modern individuals… I guess I’m an exception. But then, I believe in abstracts and absolutes, which are so passe nowadays.

  11. uhlrik Says:

    Also, Cap was something that a great many other comic book characters (and people in society) are not anymore: genuinely concerned about doing what is good, true and decent.

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  13. bosantibe Says:

    Abstractions don’t sell comics much these days… unless they’re created by a superstar narcissistic masturbator like Grant Morrison or Warren Ellis. It all comes back to the dollar almighty.

  14. bosantibe Says:

    Can’t argue there; people seem much more interested in the flaws of their comic book characters now, not open displays of everything they fail to be on a daily basis. Go figure.

  15. uhlrik Says:

    That’s probably a part of why I’ve not bought a comic in years. They seldom connect with me anymore.

  16. uhlrik Says:

    I guess it’s validating to them.

    Now, I do like to see flaws in my heroes, but I also like to see sincere attempts at being principled once in a while.

  17. bosantibe Says:

    I have a pretty good idea of what to avoid. That’s probably one of the larger parts of being a collector. That and knowing when to get out of a series that’s not doing you any favors lately. Certain writers, I find, have an impetus to adapt characters to fit themselves, but never the reverse. The writer of Civil War seems to be one of those.

  18. uhlrik Says:

    I would think that one of the skills of a good writer working with a shared universe would be a willingness to adjust a bit both ways, rather than just the one.

  19. bosantibe Says:

    I wish it were so. There’s nothing I can do about the fact that these aforementioned superstars of comic books have droves of rabidly dedicated fans, many of whom have professed that they will never read mainstream comics without the crutch of their favored writers. As a result, not only do these writers not have to be considerate of the shared universe, but they similarly don’t need to feel a pressing impetus to meet deadlines, as they know they will be paid either way.

  20. uhlrik Says:

    Hopefully, Pride goeth before a fall.

  21. bosantibe Says:

    You might be surprised. There are so many people who will still buy Ultimates 2 despite the fact that there are gaps averaging about four months between the latter issues. Several people believe the marvel party line that it’s actually the somewhat talented artist’s fault, despite the fact that every single book the writer has involvement with at some point lags behind schedule. Yet they always come back for more. The same applies to the majority of writers considered to be in his class. I find it disturbing.

  22. uhlrik Says:

    If they deliberately schedule them that way, it’s fine. If it’s just the guy being a slacker or considering himself too important for schedules, it’s something that should never be tolerated.

  23. bosantibe Says:

    Well, the editor in chief is something of a tool who allowed Kevin Smith to start a mini-series and finish it four years later, following his writer impetus rather than sound business sense. So, I’ll let you draw your own conclusions.

  24. uhlrik Says:

    Conclusions duly drawn.

  25. creativedv8tion Says:

    Cool, thanks, daddy-oh.

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